Two celebrated writers hold a free-range conversation about humanity’s embeddedness in nature. Although they work in radically different genres, they’re both among our most insightful thinkers, and both deeply scientifically literate and profoundly elegant stylists. Listen to this insightful conversation between Kim Stanley Robinson, renowned science-fiction author and Alison Hawthorne Deming, poet, professor, one of the nation’s greatest writers on the natural world, author of, among other titles, Zoologies: On Animals and the Human Spirit. Hosted by J.P. Harpignies, Bioneers Senior Producer.

Recorded Sunday, October 18, 2015 at the National Bioneers Conference in San Rafael, California.